Ground Sharing

**Grasshopper 99** · 24/01/2006, 10:16 AM

Heard from a source, that the government want Shelbourne Fc to move into Dallymount with Bohs as well as St.Patricks moving into Tallaght with Shamrock Rovers.
All four clubs will be given a massive cash boost of a couple million each for this off the government.
Dont know if any one else heard about this??? but i cant see it happening.

**tallaghtfornia** · 24/01/2006, 10:31 AM

Roddy Collins wrote about this in the star on sunday, shels-bohs thing might work but pats in tallaght in my opinion should never happen, they can keep their stadium of light, we are gettin back on our feet slowly but surely and are well entitled to our OWN ground at this stage

**superfrank** · 24/01/2006, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by tallaghtfornia

pats in tallaght in my opinion should never happen, they can keep their stadium of light, we are gettin back on our feet slowly but surely and are well entitled to our OWN ground at this stage

Every club is entitled to their own ground. If true, it just shows that government don't give a crap about our league.

**NY Hoop** · 24/01/2006, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Grasshopper 99

Heard from a source, that the government want Shelbourne Fc to move into Dallymount with Bohs as well as St.Patricks moving into Tallaght with Shamrock Rovers.
All four clubs will be given a massive cash boost of a couple million each for this off the government.
Dont know if any one else heard about this??? but i cant see it happening.

Well your "source" is about a week late!! Was in the star last friday. Wont happen.

KOH

**Grasshopper 99** · 24/01/2006, 10:53 AM

I heard it back then but i was also told about it last night, from some one else. shels bohs might happen but not a hope pats moving to tallaght.

**grounded** · 24/01/2006, 10:58 AM

Wasn't that up for discussion about a year ago? If I remember correctly the clubs wanted to build a new Stadium back then. Hopefully it won't happen. As someone said earlier every club should have their own ground. Think identifying yourself with the crest of the club is as important as identifying yourself with their homeground for the majority of the supporters it is anyway........oh dear i hope i make sense at all

**Roverstillidie** · 24/01/2006, 11:09 AM

my understanding is that boyezzzz might sell shels 49% of dalyer and let them do their worst with the connaught st side. the govt will hand them approx 10m and shels will have the cash from the sale of their lease on tolka back to DCC. but the gypo members will probably not bite.
pats to tallaght is far more likely. we have to share with other football sides, we assumed this to mean local LSL/junior/schools sides, but why not another EL club? its the only one that a club cant 'block'.
Pats would be the sub tenents and with the money they make from selling richer to spend on players etc. only serious issue for them is we will be well established in tallaght by then and the stadium will be very green and white.

**dcfcsteve** · 24/01/2006, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

my understanding is that boyezzzz might sell shels 49% of dalyer and let them do their worst with the connaught st side. the govt will hand them approx 10m and shels will have the cash from the sale of their lease on tolka back to DCC. but the gypo members will probably not bite.
pats to tallaght is far more likely. we have to share with other football sides, we assumed this to mean local LSL/junior/schools sides, but why not another EL club? its the only one that a club cant 'block'.
Pats would be the sub tenents and with the money they make from selling richer to spend on players etc. only serious issue for them is we will be well established in tallaght by then and the stadium will be very green and white.

Two teams moving into Tallaght from outside is daft. There's plenty of scope for one club to become established in that area - but where's the logic in havign 2 clubs competing directly for exactly the same audience from scratch ? Why divide your potential support ?

**Gareth** · 24/01/2006, 1:07 PM

Originally Posted by Grasshopper 99

Heard from a source, that the government want Shelbourne Fc to move into Dallymount with Bohs as well as St.Patricks moving into Tallaght with Shamrock Rovers.
All four clubs will be given a massive cash boost of a couple million each for this off the government.
Dont know if any one else heard about this??? but i cant see it happening.

Source? It was in the papers days ago and the notion has been around since early last year.

**soccerc** · 24/01/2006, 1:40 PM

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

Pats would be the sub tenents

Not my understanding. Both clubs would have equal status in a municipal stadium

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

the money they make from selling richer to spend on players etc

Again, my understanding is that any club co joining Rovers in Tallaght would be asked to make a significant financial contribution.

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

the stadium will be very green and white.

Wouldn't bet on that, SDCC will decide on the final finish and will make it as neutral as possible.

**NY Hoop** · 24/01/2006, 1:46 PM

Originally Posted by soccerc

Not my understanding. Both clubs would have equal status in a municipal stadium

Again, my understanding is that any club co joining Rovers in Tallaght would be asked to make a significant financial contribution.

Wouldn't bet on that, SDCC will decide on the final finish and will make it as neutral as possible.

We will be the MAIN tenants in the ground and we will have the right to have 40 matches there a year. Also we can build a bar out of own funds and keep all profits.

The SDCC have not yet decided on the finishing touches re colour of seats etc.

At the moment this is all paper talk.

KOH

**Roverstillidie** · 24/01/2006, 1:58 PM

Originally Posted by soccerc

Not my understanding. Both clubs would have equal status in a municipal stadium

Again, my understanding is that any club co joining Rovers in Tallaght would be asked to make a significant financial contribution.

Wouldn't bet on that, SDCC will decide on the final finish and will make it as neutral as possible.

a: incorrect. we are anchor tenants with 40 games per year guaranteed. all other teams using the grounds wont have the same rights as us.

b: dont honestly know about that, i thought the loot was the sweetner.

c: the ground will have a rovers clubhouse and signage. at the moment the plans are for green and white seats etc. i havent heard of any changes to that plan.

**soccerc** · 24/01/2006, 1:58 PM

Originally Posted by NY Hoop

We will be the MAIN tenants in the ground and we will have the right to have 40 matches there a year. Also we can build a bar out of own funds and keep all profits.

The SDCC have not yet decided on the finishing touches re colour of seats etc.

At the moment this is all paper talk.

KOH

Sorry NY Hoop, the original stadium had planning permission to stage 40 games per year. That PP has since expired. Ypu can be sure that SDCC will seek to maximise the use of their stadium.

If and I stress if St Pats move to Tallaght they would have the same rights as any other club using the "municipal facility". While you have been promised a portion of land to build a club house who is to say any other club would not be afforded the same generosity.

Oh it's not all paper talk.

**Roverstillidie** · 24/01/2006, 2:00 PM

Originally Posted by soccerc

Sorry NY Hoop, the original stadium had planning permission to stage 40 games per year. That PP has since expired. Ypu can be sure that SDCC will seek to maximise the use of their stadium.

that is not true. SDCC have since committed to this as terms of our tenancy. whatever your source is, its wrong.

**soccerc** · 24/01/2006, 2:13 PM

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

that is not true. SDCC have since committed to this as terms of our tenancy. whatever your source is, its wrong.

Have SRFC a signed tenancy agreement from SDCC in their hands?

Have SDCC full control of the lands yet?

Have SDCC finalised their plans for the site?

Have SDCC secured funding to finish the stadium?

My source is impeccable and always has been.

**Roverstillidie** · 24/01/2006, 2:22 PM

Originally Posted by soccerc

Have SRFC a signed tenancy agreement from SDCC in their hands?

Have SDCC full control of the lands yet?

Have SDCC finalised their plans for the site?

Have SDCC secured funding to finish the stadium?

My source is impeccable and always has been.

the first 2 nothing is signed, but the agreements are in place.

the final 2, yes.

**pete** · 24/01/2006, 2:44 PM

There are a lot more facts on foot.ie than most newspapers so just because a paper says this is true does not make it so.

Dublin eL clubs should get same funding as other eL sides. If prices are too expensive in the pale then have choice of building half a stadium or sharing a full stadium. Not fair that Dublin clubs get paid 10m to build expensive stadium when clubs outside the pale can do for a fraction fo that. Huge public money has been pumped into Tallaght & nothing to show for.

New 1500 seater stand in Turners Cross is costing approx 1m & that includes demolition so should follow that 6-8k seater stadium be easily done for €4-5m as would be savings doing all in one go.

**tallaghtfornia** · 24/01/2006, 3:25 PM

rovers will be the main tennant in tallaght and dont be suprised if after a few years they make an offer to buy the ground, the sdcc are doin their best to set the hoops up in a new home and make money off the back of it till rovers can stand on their own and buy it outright, just my opinion!!

**Roverstillidie** · 24/01/2006, 3:32 PM

Originally Posted by pete

There are a lot more facts on foot.ie than most newspapers so just because a paper says this is true does not make it so.

Dublin eL clubs should get same funding as other eL sides. If prices are too expensive in the pale then have choice of building half a stadium or sharing a full stadium. Not fair that Dublin clubs get paid 10m to build expensive stadium when clubs outside the pale can do for a fraction fo that. Huge public money has been pumped into Tallaght & nothing to show for.

New 1500 seater stand in Turners Cross is costing approx 1m & that includes demolition so should follow that 6-8k seater stadium be easily done for €4-5m as would be savings doing all in one go.

pete, if, and i repeat if, the fai and government go ahead with groundsharing as a rule, it will only effect dublin clubs.

the mythical 10m figure is to buy clubs off.

would you accept sharing with cobh and no sweetner?

but what difference does it make to you how much we get in grants? if a stand costs x in dublin and y in the sticks, its still going to pay for the stand. i could understand it if you werent getting cash as a result, but you are. very naive to think that monaghan and tolka will cost the same to rebuild.

**Magicme** · 25/01/2006, 8:42 AM

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

pete, if, and i repeat if, the fai and government go ahead with groundsharing as a rule, it will only effect dublin clubs.

the mythical 10m figure is to buy clubs off.

would you accept sharing with cobh and no sweetner?

but what difference does it make to you how much we get in grants? if a stand costs x in dublin and y in the sticks, its still going to pay for the stand. i could understand it if you werent getting cash as a result, but you are. very naive to think that monaghan and tolka will cost the same to rebuild.

Monaghan doesnt need to be rebuilt.....just a few millions worth of improvements!