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    I'm surprised that as many times as Iran has been brought up in discussions in this forum, everyone neglected to mention that Haliburton operate a subsidiary out of Tehran. When was it set up? When Dead Eye Dick was their CEO. Oh how I laughed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dancinpants
    I'm surprised that as many times as Iran has been brought up in discussions in this forum, everyone neglected to mention that Haliburton operate a subsidiary out of Tehran. When was it set up? When Dead Eye Dick was their CEO. Oh how I laughed.
    Yeah, dancinpants, those fcukers have their dirty little fingers everywhere, along with Bechtle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirhamish
    Yeah, dancinpants, those fcukers have their dirty little fingers everywhere, along with Bechtle.
    Bechtel is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Halliburton. Go figure.

    PP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy
    Bechtel is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Halliburton. Go figure. PP
    Plus a few others in that "in-crowd" PP
    http://www.democracynow.org/article..../04/07/0321219
    Mornin' to ya amigo.

    PS - did you have a look at the two videos I loaded a couple of posts above? -
    I ordered "American Theocracy" from one of the interviewees and the other is a former Colin Powell sidekick Col. Larry Wilkerson.

    The biggest fear of the wingnuts/neo-con cabal is the threat of, March/April starting The Iranian Bourse (kind of oil stock exchange) trading through euros instead of the dollar which is on the oil life-support system. Venezuala, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia etc may be about to break away from the dollar to the more stable euro thus a devastating blow to the US economy.
    Saddam also threatened the same just before "Shock and Awe(ful)" and we know what happened to that fcuker.
    Throw in trillions of dollars of US debt - literally billions a day, rediculous tax cuts, a construction markey flattening out, personal and industrial debt along with many other fiscal suicide which Bush the Fool and cronies arevresponsible for and you have a soup of disaster for the States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirhamish
    Throw in trillions of dollars of US debt - literally billions a day, rediculous tax cuts, a construction markey flattening out, personal and industrial debt along with many other fiscal suicide which Bush the Fool and cronies arevresponsible for and you have a soup of disaster for the States.
    Yip it looks bad over here in fairness. As you pointed out about the debt - the debt ceiling was increased by $750 billion dollars, that leaves the debt ceiling to $9 TRILLION dollars!!!! . It was worked out that to pay off the national debt, every man woman and child in the US would have to pay $30,000 EACH. Then ye have these dumb@ss republicans running around thinking Bush is the dogs ****** for all these tax cuts, when infact he's running the country into the ground FFS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dancinpants
    Yip it looks bad over here in fairness. As you pointed out about the debt - the debt ceiling was increased by $750 billion dollars, that leaves the debt ceiling to $9 TRILLION dollars!!!! . It was worked out that to pay off the national debt, every man woman and child in the US would have to pay $30,000 EACH. Then ye have these dumb@ss republicans running around thinking Bush is the dogs ****** for all these tax cuts, when infact he's running the country into the ground FFS.
    Yep dancinpants, here's another angle to it - remember Saddam threatening to sell oil in Euros? Well Iran have just started The Iranian Burse which is a kinda stock exchange for oil and also through euros.
    This has the potential to devastate the dollar which has lost 95% in value in the last 100 years.I think Nixon took it away from the gold standard because it was worth so little and with the debt, as you stated, running into frightening figures, traditional Republicans are terrified that the Bushies will bankrupt the US, given that, at personal and national levels, it's running on massive debt.
    Bush also left Texas 9 billion dollars in debt when he left there as Governor.
    Whata fcuking genius.

    Anyway, have a look at this. I think it adds to the picture, especially "The end of money bit"

    http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle12381.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by dancinpants
    Yip it looks bad over here in fairness. As you pointed out about the debt - the debt ceiling was increased by $750 billion dollars, that leaves the debt ceiling to $9 TRILLION dollars!!!! . It was worked out that to pay off the national debt, every man woman and child in the US would have to pay $30,000 EACH. Then ye have these dumb@ss republicans running around thinking Bush is the dogs ****** for all these tax cuts, when infact he's running the country into the ground FFS.
    Another increase in US interest rates as well this week - the 14th climb in recent years I believe. Puts the Fed rate above Britain for the frist time in quite a while. Which will mean even more foreign loans piling into the US - giving their economy a short-to-medium term boost, but putting them even thicker in the soup.

    The problem with all of this though is that it'll only really come to bite after Bush's 2nd term is over. Hopefully a Democrat will get in then to save the country from itself. But they'll be the ones having to make the tough decisions and getting the public flack for Bush's mistakes.

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    Another term of Republicans and we'll be seeing the Five-Starred Red Flag on whitehouse.gov. The loans have to be repaid somehow...

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    Retired US General Tony Zinni gives a devastating account on "Meet the Press" today - destroying the claims of imminent threats to the US Regime from Saddam Hussein. He has made this statement from as far back as 2002.
    Film clip lasts only a few minutes.

    http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/04/02.html#a7762

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    Here's an interview from Pacifica Radio, via The Information Clearing House, of ex-CIA analyst Ray McGovern. McGovern worked under JF Kennedy, Reagan, even Nixon, Bush the Elder etc.
    He delivers an stinging critique of the present US regime and its cronies. He states quite categorically that he is of the opinion that Bish the Fool, Cheney, Rumsfeld and co are war criminals.
    This bloke is no raving lefty BTW.
    The opening part is about his career but as the interview develops, we see the layers of scum being removed to witness the obscenity and utter corruption within the current administration and its supporters.
    The neo-cons he categorises as "crazies" and he stated that Bush the Elder had the cop-on to keep them as far away as possible from any crucial decision making - Perle, Wolowitz and co. are some among this cabal.

    Really worth a listening if you want to get an insight into where the stench from Capitol Hill is coming from and what's causing it.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle12628.htm

    Anyone who's listened to it, please let me have your thoughts.

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    hamish

    Bloody NTL have just made CNBC only available to their digital customers !
    Last time I gave up on Cablelink because they took CNBC Europe off their packages

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    Quote Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie
    hamish

    Bloody NTL have just made CNBC only available to their digital customers !
    Last time I gave up on Cablelink because they took CNBC Europe off their packages
    You've lost me a bit there CTID - has this to do with site loading or what???
    I notice that Keith Oberlmann is not featured on the European vesion of MSNBC - he's good.

    I love the site "Information Clearing House" and have actually given a few bob towards the cost of it - it often has an article before it's printed in the likes of the Guardian etc. Great videos too - even has Outfoxed.

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    Iraqi official: 'It's civil war'
    5.36PM, Sat Apr 8 2006

    ITV News


    A senior official in the Iraqi government has for the first time admitted the country is in a state of civil war.

    Deputy interior minister Hussein Ali Kamal said Iraq had been in "undeclared" civil war for the past year.

    He told reporters: "Actually Iraq has been in an undeclared civil war for the past 12 months.

    "On a daily basis Shias, Sunnis, Kurds and Christians are being killed and the only undeclared thing is that a civil war has not been officially announced by the parties involved. Civil war is happening but not on a wide scale."

    Mr Kamal's admission mirrors the words of former Iraqi prime minister Iyad Allawi who last month said Iraq was in civil war. Mr Allawi warned that the violence was reaching the point of no return and Europe and the USA would not be spared the consequences.

    But British ministers have repeatedly denied civil war is either imminent or inevitable. Criticising anti-war protesters, Defence Secretary John Reid recently suggested those who argued that Iraq was on the brink of civil war were siding with the terrorists

    Jerk That hypocricy just doesn't play anymore - Reid must be some fcuking idiot if he thinks that line will work - it doesn't even in the US now.

    "The vested interests - if we explain the situation by their influence - can only get the public to act as they wish by manipulating public opinion, by playing either upon the public's indifference, confusions, prejudices, pugnacities or fears. And the only way in which the power of the interests can be undermined and their maneuvers defeated is by bringing home to the public the danger of its indifference, the absurdity of its prejudices, or the hollowness of its fears; by showing that it is indifferent to danger where real danger exists; frightened by dangers which are nonexistent."
    Sir Norman Angell 1872 - 1967

    "The ideal setup by the Party was something huge, terrible, and glittering - a world of steel and concrete, of monstrous machines and terrifying weapons - a nation of warriors and fanatics, marching forward in perfect unity, all thinking the same thoughts and shouting the same slogans, perpetually working, fighting, triumphing, persecuting - three hundred million people all with the same face." George Orwell, from the book 1984

    Patriotism in its simplest, clearest and most indubitable signification is nothing else but a means of obtaining for the rulers their ambitions and covetous desires, and for the ruled the abdication of human dignity, reason, conscience, and a slavish enthralment to those in power.
    Leo Tolstoy


    "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." Plato (427-347 B.C.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirhamish
    Iraqi official: 'It's civil war'
    5.36PM, Sat Apr 8 2006

    A senior official in the Iraqi government has for the first time admitted the country is in a state of civil war.

    Deputy interior minister Hussein Ali Kamal said Iraq had been in "undeclared" civil war for the past year.

    He told reporters: "Actually Iraq has been in an undeclared civil war for the past 12 months.
    A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet hamish

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirhamish
    Plus a few others in that "in-crowd" PP
    http://www.democracynow.org/article..../04/07/0321219
    Mornin' to ya amigo.

    The biggest fear of the wingnuts/neo-con cabal is the threat of, March/April starting The Iranian Bourse (kind of oil stock exchange) trading through euros instead of the dollar which is on the oil life-support system. Venezuala, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia etc may be about to break away from the dollar to the more stable euro thus a devastating blow to the US economy.
    Saddam also threatened the same just before "Shock and Awe(ful)" and we know what happened to that fcuker.
    Throw in trillions of dollars of US debt - literally billions a day, rediculous tax cuts, a construction markey flattening out, personal and industrial debt along with many other fiscal suicide which Bush the Fool and cronies arevresponsible for and you have a soup of disaster for the States.
    It really does look at times that a recession is around the corner not just for the states but all of us. After every expensive war someone has to pay for it and it looks as if we'll be paying for this one.
    Cork City FC

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