What happens when we "kick the bucket"?

**the 12 th man** · 20/12/2005, 2:11 PM

Well, does the "Harp Farm" exist? or do we just turn into fish bait?.
Me,I believe in something more after death just not sure exactly what though.

**Peadar** · 20/12/2005, 3:59 PM

Originally Posted by the 12 th man

Well, does the "Harp Farm" exist? or do we just turn into fish bait?.

Fish bait, of course.
It's a bit arrogant of us to believe that the planet spent a few billion years evolving just so that we could exist for a tiny fraction of it, on our way to a better place.

**tricky_colour** · 20/12/2005, 8:01 PM

In an infinite universe it would be foolish to rule anything out, however
unlikely its certain to happen.

**sligoman** · 20/12/2005, 8:31 PM

I believe in re-incarnation

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**Snoop Drog** · 20/12/2005, 8:33 PM

Originally Posted by sligoman

I believe in re-incarnation

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Since the Drogs won the Cup, I do too.

**pineapple stu** · 20/12/2005, 8:39 PM

Originally Posted by Peadar

Fish bait, of course.
It's a bit arrogant of us to believe that the planet spent a few billion years evolving just so that we could exist for a tiny fraction of it, on our way to a better place.

Not unless you consider the whole God stuff. And I haven't heard any atheist come up with a good explanation for the existence of the universe (yes, it came from the Big Bang, but where did that come from?). The universe is far too complicated to be set in motion all on its own...

**Anto McC** · 20/12/2005, 9:41 PM

We go to heaven,end of!!

**liam88** · 20/12/2005, 9:56 PM

My personal belief

Pergotory first for all the small sins (scraps, shoplifting, being mean to people, kicking dogs) then once all of these are worked off (the worse you were the longer it lasts) you are into heaven. Only Jesus and probably some of the Pope's passed straight through pergotory.

If you we really evil however i.e. you commited murder, rape, torture then your off to hell for all eternity.

I do however believe that "murder" etc. counts in the ethical term not the legal term. Personally I don't think that God will condem to hell the man who shot the paedophuile who raped his 12 year old daughter. I do believe the Myra Hindley is in hell.

Obviously there's a lot of things I don't understand/am unsure about surrounding issues such as repentance, euthenasia and abortion. I'm not going to write anything about this because to be perfectly honest I don't know. I'm pretty sure on my beliefs above (i.e. peadophile's going to hell) but I am very uncetain on those 3 issues in particular and as well as causing an argument by doing so I just wouldn't feel comfortable saying "if you do this your in heaven and that your in hell" when I'm very unsure myself.

**hamish** · 20/12/2005, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by sligoman

I believe in re-incarnation

Yep, as an Athlone Town fan..............now, that's real Heaven Sligoman.

**tricky_colour** · 20/12/2005, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by Peadar

Fish bait, of course.
It's a bit arrogant of us to believe that the planet spent a few billion years evolving just so that we could exist for a tiny fraction of it, on our way to a better place.

It was created in seven days, not billions of years

**Snoop Drog** · 20/12/2005, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by the 12 th man

Well, does the "Harp Farm" exist?

I reckon if it possible that Home Farm still exists then the Harp Farm could too...

**Marked Man** · 21/12/2005, 2:24 AM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Not unless you consider the whole God stuff. And I haven't heard any atheist come up with a good explanation for the existence of the universe (yes, it came from the Big Bang, but where did that come from?). The universe is far too complicated to be set in motion all on its own...

Haven't heard any believers explain where the whole god thing came from. If there is a god, presumably it's MORE complicated than the universe. So in explaining the occurence of the universe via the existence of god, we leave ourselves with a bigger explanatory puzzle.

Fish bait.

**Plastic Paddy** · 21/12/2005, 6:48 AM

Sum of all knowledge - all rational scientific knowledge = faith

Harp farm it is.

PP

**finlma** · 21/12/2005, 7:32 AM

Worm food - simple as that. Make the most of your years here.

**Macy** · 21/12/2005, 7:45 AM

Worm food for me too.

If there is a god, he's one evil untc imo, so I'd rather not have what he has in store if he does exist tbh.

**exile** · 21/12/2005, 8:04 AM

some early christian religions (i.e cathars and other agnostics )belive earth was actualy hell and when you die you just went to heaven , now watching city being beaten in the cup final by drogs actualy renforced my belief in that train of thought .

**Peadar** · 21/12/2005, 8:32 AM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

The universe is far too complicated to be set in motion all on its own...

I never claimed otherwise but why do we think that we're so significant that there's an afterlife for us!
A few billion mites crwaling on a small planet, where we're not the most numerous or the most ancient. In the greater scheme of things, we're just another life form. We cling onto the idea of heaven for comfort. We have psychos blowing themselves and others up, thinking it will get them there quicker.

After trade unions, religion is the root of all evil!

**pineapple stu** · 21/12/2005, 8:45 AM

Originally Posted by Peadar

I never claimed otherwise but why do we think that we're so significant that there's an afterlife for us!

Never claimed that there isn't an afterlife for anything else. Don't see why there isn't an afterlife for cats and dogs and all. Or why there wouldn't be an afterlife for little green aliens on other planets.

What do you make of the events in Israel around 4BC to 30AD, when - so goes the story - the man himself told us there was an afterlife? Or are you one of those people who chooses not to believe any of that happened because it's easier that way? (Not trying to wind you up - just trying to start a conversation here. Honestly!)

Originally Posted by Marked Mac

Haven't heard any believers explain where the whole god thing came from.

Sure God always was and always shall be - that's just one of the great mysteries of religion we have to try and accept and not understand!

**Green Army Girl** · 21/12/2005, 8:51 AM

Originally Posted by Peadar

I never claimed otherwise but why do we think that we're so significant that there's an afterlife for us!
A few billion mites crwaling on a small planet, where we're not the most numerous or the most ancient. In the greater scheme of things, we're just another life form. We cling onto the idea of heaven for comfort. We have psychos blowing themselves and others up, thinking it will get them there quicker.

After trade unions, religion is the root of all evil!

So Missionaries, sisters of charity, St Vincent De Paul, these are all associated with religion and i wouldnt consider them "the root of all evil".

I do believe in life after death and i do believe there is a God and i defo think i might be waiting outside that gate wit St Peter for a good while before im forgiven my sins

**Peadar** · 21/12/2005, 8:58 AM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

What do you make of the events in Israel around 4BC to 30AD, when - so goes the story - the man himself told us there was an afterlife?

I believe that a man called Jesus went around telling people that he was the son of God. He was charming enough to build up a following and over time, the story of his life grew into legend.

I don't believe he was actually anything other than an arrogant man with strong views.
I see people like this all the time in Cork.

I'd like to ask a question of my own, what do people think is the purpose of an afterlife?

Is life on earth like a group stage or a qualifying round before the main event in heaven?

If there was life on an atom, would that lifeform think that we were their God and that after death, they'd join us in an afterlife?