QuoteOriginally Posted by Billsthoughts
Or the DUP?
I'm sure he'll come up with bail when he gets his deposit back....no wait!
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
Or the DUP?
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
just to clear a few things up.i think what i actually meant to say was that the decrease in morals(not specifically Mass attendance of course) in this country is a massive contributing factor to the increase in murders,rapes etc.but wouldnt you all agree that 20/30 years ago when religious practice was alot more frequent by the majority of people that there were less muders,rapes.a murder barely makes the headline news anymore whereas 20 years ago it would have been talked about for days on end.people worship new Gods now sadly-money,alcohol,drugs,sex.
to the person who said abortion isnt central to the catholic faith,your right it isnt-but it is murder of an innocent human being(from a christian point of view).so thats why catholics defend it so much.the church doesnt spend alot of time on it its just thats all you hear about in the media.the media wont report on the 20,000 a day or so who attend the 9 day Novena in Galway each year(mostly young people by the way) but they will report on something like abortion because it involves conflict.
ill post more in responce to others when i have time.its a good debate though.
its a bit rich proporting to support the rights of an unborn child when the catholic church has done more than any organisation to abuse the rights of children actually born. I dont see catholics out protesting against their own church not paying their way in terms of reperations to children they systematically abused or the fact that to this day they still cover up any incidence of child abuse. now that might seem a cheap shot but its just fact.
your right about lack of morals in society but its questionalble whether a hypocritical church are the ones to guide us on these matters. they had their chance and they blew it. the quicker they fade into insignificance the better for us all.
eamo1 - Without getting into your genuinely held beliefs I think it's safe to say that Ireland is a much better place now than it was 20 or 30 years ago not to mention when our parents grew up. The lessening of the Church's grip is part of that improvement.
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There were many instances in the troubles where people were murdered for being Protestant or Catholic by troglodyte scum who never even checked to discover if they were nationalist or unionist -as if that mattered a fcuk either.
There was far less reported rape 2 or 3 decades ago -not least because it wasn't even considered rape if it happened within marriage largely due to a church propagated myth that "we all have our crosses to bare".
The Catholic church and it's loo-lah head honcho didn't much help de-stigmatise rape either when it canonised a copycat of a misguided, terrified kid who opted for suicide by proxy rather than submit herself to a sexual assault.
To canonise one such young woman was just disturbing and disgusting ...canonising her copycat was despicable, depraved, unforgivable and I'm starting to think -fettishist.
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
your obviously referring to st.Alexandria,a girl who rather then be subjected to another rape by her relatives she jumped from her bedroom window and suffered severe spinal injuries.she was bed ridden and went through such awful suffering but began praying alot and recieving Holy Communion,she then survived on just Holy Communion alone to prove its power(this she did for 3 years and all scienfic tests at the time proved this).get your facts right-get a book on the saints-and please please go to confession and save yourself.
so just to also point out that a thread was closed here a couple of years ago because of ppl "disscussing" the muslim faith,but it turned into a war of words and views from different ppl and was closed to stop the insults to the muslim faith.its sad,but not suprising,that this thread hasnt been closed despite the sheer depth of insulting remarks about my faith(which are just ppls views but which could be worded nicer).but then us catholics are use to getting a bashing from all types of media-join the club foot.ie.
to answer another comment,its not ALL priests who are child molestors either.a report found that out of 1500 child sex offenders 35 were priests,thats 3%.but this is the % that the media foucused on.so the 30% of teachers were ok and the 20% of doctors were fine too but 3% of priests meant that you were to never trust a priest again-bull.i know its 3% too many.dont paint everyone with the same brush.ill defend my religion to the death.this thread has gone grossly off topic too.i started defending this guy and it suddenly became an attack on the whole of the catholic faith.close this thread or get back on topic.
Can you please provide some sort of link to this report?
Who said it was ok?
I do agree that the media focuses more on molestation by priests, but to be fair.....religious figures such as priests have, by their own definition, a role in leading others to spiritual enlightenment, and are supposed to be shining lights of honesty and compassion........thus any abuse of power by them is seen, justifiably I feel, while no greater a crime, as a greater hypocracy.
Also, truly shameful efforts to cover up these instances have not helped their cause, or your arguement.
ill get the link to this report for you.ill email the Alive newspaper and ask them for it.thats where i seen it.
its the media that dont seem to warn parents about leaving kids with teachers,swim coaches,doctors etc but i remember reading articles about why you shouldnt leave them with priests and it never mentions other sections of society.
yes the church made mistakes with cover ups etc and i condem these.
to get back to the topic of this thread.i agree with this guys views on many subjects.ive already talked about the catholic faith.i strongly agree with his views on promoting irish and getting that back as our main language.its a beautifull language and deserves to be used alot more.the independent group led media however jam british and american crap down our throats so much that ireland is now turning ireland into mini versions of these countries and losing its own identity.
I'm obviously referring to no-one of that name but we can now add rendering yourself quadraplegic to the list that already includes suicide that the Catholic church holds up as healthier options for females in danger of enduring a sexual assault such is it's obsession with girls not doing durty tings.
I'm referring to Maria Goretti, who begged her would be rapist to kill her rather than take her virginity. He stabbed her.
I'm also referring to Teresa Bracco who begged a german soldier to shoot her rather than rape her. There's not a shred of evidence either way but it's as likely as not she was raped anyway.
Seen the guest-list. Not interested.
Besides the only soul I have is the best of Barry White.
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
Oh My God (Or is he your God??)
This is possibly the most horrific piece of condescencion I have ever read
Get a grip
Wow. Just took the time to give that article a more thorough perusal. The man is an utter, utter tosser. Mercifully part of this countries fading past -though that doesn't mean I'd let my guard down for a second.
His manifesto is basically a facist hand-book ...."give 'em someone to blame -and someone to kiss it better"
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
Yes the Fianna Fail party of 1927 but not the current Fianna Fail party. I think someone should reform my Old IRA maternal granduncle's party Clann na Poblachta.
So its ok to rape devout Catholics. If Maria Goretti and Teresa Bracco had been Lesbians they would have made heros by the radical feminist left.
If that's a question ...use a question mark.
Perhaps. But you're engaged in whataboutery. I'd sooner see the catholic church, the radical feminist left and whatever-you're-having-yourself make saints, blesseds and heroes out of someone who resolved to survive a sexual assault, point a finger at the lily-livered rapist fcuk across a courtroom and see him sent down, taken out of circulation and named before the world.
It just strikes me as a better example to be holding up for kids -than girls who were so scared sh1tless of their own religion, it's ministers and dogmas that they choose death -not over the "sin" -which after all was not theirs -but over having to live with the stigma attached to it by their community.
Those girls were victims of their church as well as their rapist/murderers and the church has their blood on it's hands.
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
Absolutely right. The idea that a person would choose death over the "sin" of being raped points to an incomprehensible fear of the followed religion, or perhaps more accurately, those who dispense that religion in this world. To celebrate creation of such fear is disturbing indeed.
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